Updates and Enddates

June 18, 2013

Shalom loyal fans!
I haven’t posted here in over two years! I apologize, but I think there evidently is enough information already on the blog to help 90% of the people and issues that they have.

But I have quite a few things to say, not necessarily in this order:

1. Doch Shnati Annual Tax Return deadline has been fluidly postponed again this year. It is the end of June, so you have some time yet.

2. I just called Mas Hachnassa, and they said I do not have to appear in person at their office to submit my printout of my doch. I can put both copies in the mail (my office is Jaffa Road 236, Jerusalem) and they will stamp my copy and mail it back to me. Kewel!

3. That printout is from the online doch shnati that everyone has to do nowadays. I never posted about it (tsk tsk). It really is quite easy. Some tips:
a. use Microsoft Internet Explorer (probably impossible otherwise).
b. Prepare the doch on paper first, so all you have to do is copy. Otherwise, you will spend too much time on line and perhaps lose your work.
c. Save frequently.
d. Other suggestions all apply as before, when completing the doch by hand old fashioned.

4. (Hidden sneakingly) I closed my tik! Because when doing my USA taxes for that $1000 a kid kickback, my accountant told me that an atzmai has to pay a $1000 fee to the IRS! So when you factor this in, the luxury of having an Israeli tik without having enough clients that require it can be very expensive.

I also got a j-o-b, so I am making money without needing a tik, so that pretty much clinched it.

If I will ever want to open a tik again, I can simply google “opening a tik” and find a dozen videos about the Simpsons (?) I mean, “opening a tik at mas hachnassa”, and find a whole bunch of information that some kinds soul wrote since February 2008…

5. Closing a tik, btw, is also easy and not scary.
a. Go to VAT offices on Kanfei Nesharim 66 (not 236 Jaffa). This is even if you are an osek patur, that is, had nothing to do with VAT de facto.
b. Tell them you want to close your tik. You will fill out a form and undergo a short meetign with a nice clerk. In fact, iirc, I filled out the form with the clerk’s help.
c. When you get your copy of what they give you, go downstairs to the modi’in, tell them you closed your tik in Ma’am and need to close it in Mas Hachnasa, they give you a form to fill out, you do that, submit it, and voila! You’re done. NOTE: I did this in Kanfei Nesharim even though I am really affiliated with Jaffa 236. I just wrote in big letters (as someone told me to) “Chuliyah 46” or whatever the number was, and they said it would get there in internal mail.

There you go, kind and faithful readers!
I hope this blog will continue to help people, and please continue to write if you have any questions. Even though I am no longer in the game, I still remember the rules, and as they say, “those who know, do, those who don’t so, teach.” Or something like that.


a message about tium mas – your comments appreciated

May 14, 2011
Shalom Gidon!
Thank you for your blog – it’s quite a nice support! 
Thank you aww shucks
I am an olah from Toronto,  
 and while I have a job at a bar, I am also getting into the business of doing English voice-overs for videos.  
good luck
 The company I now work for requested a Teum Mas. Two questions: 1) Where in Jerusalem do I go to arrange one of these?;  
a long time ago, i got one, pretty easily. i went to Kanfei Nesharim (66 i think) but I live in Maale Adumim, you might need to go to Center One
 and 2) Do I need any information from my other employer when I go to arrange this for my second employer? 
I think how much you expect to make from all your employers total 2011. If you are follwoing the adventures of an Osek Zair, than you probably have nothing to worry about:-)
But I think nowadays you can get a teum mas via the Internet! In fact, it might even be the better or even only way…
Please keep me posted. I will post this on my blog for others to chime in. Gotta love Web 2.0…
Thanks, shavuah tov.

Doch Shnati Deadline Extended !(what a surprise)

May 4, 2011

Hi loyal fans!

I apologize for not updating this blog as frequently as I should. Please submit your request for your money back in triplicate:-)

Anyway, great news!

As I had a feeling would happen, Mas Hachnasa has extended the deadline for submitting the doch shnati tax return. It was scheduled to be April 30, 2011. This was three days after the end of Pesach, and Shabbat, by the way.

Anyway, nu nu nu I was a naughty boy and didn’t submit my form till then.

But as I said, I had a feeling it would be extended.

So today I succeeded in finding a phone number where someone answered. 02-6559559 ext 6 then 2. That brought be to Galia in the Mateh, and lo and behold, she answered the phone!

So I asked her if there has been an extension. She said I think so, wait a sec. She asked a colleague and he said yes (get this) till June 30! That’s right, not one month, but TWO MONTHS extension!

You can all go back to sleep now.

BTW, you have to submit it by Internet online starting this year. Bli neder, I will report how (easy it is) to do this.

a little more about osek patur plus sachir

March 6, 2011

a message to me, a reply in a comment somewhere on this blog, and a repost here in its own post..

Dear Chana Leah,

Thanks for writing, sorry for the time lag in responding, I guess you get what you pay for:-)

I have been reading your blog on-and-off for a while. I just opened an osek patur, but I am still working in a regular “sachir” job part-time. I wanted to ask you the following: Will this affect the taxes that I will pay at my sachir job or as an osek patur?

>>I remind you, my “advice” is not professional, just my educated guess. Depending on your salaried income, it probably will not impact. I don’t have the exact numbers, but from what I understand, if your combined income is under a certain number, you do not pay more. See below>>

If so, do I need to visit Te’um mas or any other office to fix this?

>>The question isn’t how much tax you will pay, but how much people will withhold from you. Ultimately, around Pesach you will go to the free advice hours, and they will help you complete your tax return (doch shnati) and tell you how little if any tax you will have to pay. But until then, you should go the Mas Hachnasa and get a teum mas, so your salaried job won’t deduct more than he should, and your clients won’t think they have to withhold at source (nikkui mas bamakor). Getting a teum mas is painless, just takes time. I understand that you can do it online nowadays. Taxes.mof.gov.il or something like that.

Thanks for your help, Chana Leah

Thanks, Gidon Ariel


January 4, 2011

Jacob wrote:

Gidon, thanks for your blog, it’s really helpful! I am at the point of making my decision now – patur or murshe. and before i go to a tax advisor i’d like to know as much as i can. Can you please advise, whether osek patur can have deductibles like partial car expenses, gas, electricity, office rent, etc? I do not mean VAT, but reduction of the final profit i’ll get to pay taxes from? Or the taxes are calculated from my “brutto” income?

Someone also said, i cannot do web site support and development as osek patur, even if i get less than64k a year. Is it really so?

I’ll really appreciate your help.

Here’s my answer:

Remember, I am not an official tax advisor, just a fellow shnook who tries to help and be helped;-)

From my understanding, an Osek Patur makes so little money, they are patur (not required to) collect and foward/pay VAT tot he VAT authorities. This comes to about 64K NIS a year (give or take a few 10k’s).  From my understanding, if you are making so little money a year, you are not going to be paying mas hachnasa to the mas hachnasa authorities, either. So “deductibles” are immaterial. The idea of deductibles is to deduct their value from your brutto gross income, and then calculate the tax you owe. Since you are starting with zero tax owed, you can’t go lower than that:-) PS this is what happens to me and so I am lax with collecting “deductible expense” receipts like cab fares, ink, computer, etc.

If you do end up owing taxes cause you make more than the minimum, than the bottom line is easy: was this expense instrumental in generating income for you. Would you have been able to generate income without expending for this. The partial expenses you list are maybe hazier than an ink cartridge, but you can and should ask on internet forums, this is a simple question.

>>Someone also said, i cannot do web site support and development as osek patur, even if i get less than64k a year. Is it really so?

Don’t tell that person about me, that’s exactly what I do:-) My declared business (iirc – they strangely do not give you a copy of your request to open a business including the field where you describe your services – I spent about an hour crafting that sentence!) was “Office Services, Translations and Internet services”.  I think “sherutei Internet” should do the trick for you too.


2010 in review

January 2, 2011

The following is a very impressive message I got automatically from WordPress. If someone out there doesn’t have a blog [yet] on WordPress.com or WordPress.org [yet], you should! Contact me if you want more info.

The stats helper monkeys at WordPress.com mulled over how this blog did in 2010, and here’s a high level summary of its overall blog health:

Healthy blog!

The Blog-Health-o-Meter™ reads Fresher than ever.

Crunchy numbers

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A helper monkey made this abstract painting, inspired by your stats.

A Boeing 747-400 passenger jet can hold 416 passengers. This blog was viewed about 3,100 times in 2010. That’s about 7 full 747s.


In 2010, there were 8 new posts, growing the total archive of this blog to 25 posts. There were 2 pictures uploaded, taking up a total of 358kb.

The busiest day of the year was March 4th with 41 views. The most popular post that day was How much money should you try to make?.

Where did they come from?

The top referring sites in 2010 were shomershekalim.wordpress.com, lifeinisrael.blogspot.com, bigextracash.com, facebook.com, and bsemploymentinitiative.blogspot.com.

Some visitors came searching, mostly for osek patur, mas hachnasa, paypal taxes israel, teum mas, and yeul sachir.

Attractions in 2010

These are the posts and pages that got the most views in 2010.


How much money should you try to make? October 2009


Osek Mursheh, Zair, or Teum Mas? January 2010


Opening a Tik Osek Patur at Maam March 2008


Mas Hachnasa advice hours April 2009


Paypal and U.S. Checks and Israel Income Tax April 2009

Defining an Amutah

December 23, 2010

I just realized one of my favorite blogs, one of the only ones I subscribe to, actually, is not linked to on this blog. Here is the post that made me post it here, even before I post all the things I have to, like what I have been doing recently at the Mas Hachnasa office.

It deals with nonprofit orgs, but I think it’s a well written description of something worth knowing, and I think some of you might to.

Here’s to Shuey: